> I've been assigned the task to design two new subs for the party
room at my
> fraternity. currently we have two old and dilapidated 15"
subs. I've heard
> a lot of talk on the list about the SHIVA and NHT1259 subs and was
> wondering if after choosing between the two if running each sub
with 2-4 of
> these in a closed box system in an array would work?
> I was thinking of using four per sub arrayed in a transmission line
> the sound doesn't need to be audiophile but it does need to fill a
Yes, use multiple drivers to achieve the SPL you need for your large
The hard part is predicting how many drivers are needed to produce the
desired SPL at the listening distances involved without running out of
either thermal or mechanical headroom.
As you start the project don't forget to look at Audio Concepts SV-12 at
You can also download a special promotional version of my WinSpeakerz
speaker simulator that works exclusively with the SV-12. You can
use it to
actually predict the responses of the various types of systems you are
considering. WinSpeakerz will also help you predict the SPL at
distances and input powers.
I recently started using an SV-12 subwoofer with my "Desktop"
and have been quite impressed with the performance of this driver.
> if the room is 70-80feet long, 40-50 feet wide and a ceiling that
> floors high what would be a good setup for using this driver? (we
> for two sub boxes, which are currently 3x3x5ft)
Since you are working with a fairly large room let's consider the SPL at
10 meter (about 30 ft) listening distance.
Working with the WinSpeakerz SV-12 demo version I find the following:
No. Drivers Total Input Power
87 dB SPL 67 dB SPL
It looks like 4 to 8 SV-12's will deliver 100 to 110 dB SPL out in the
I'd put 4 SV-12's each in a sealed enclosure ranging from about 12 to 16
cubic feet. These enclosures will provide bass coverage down to
about 33 Hz
(- 3dB). Allow about 1000 Watts per enclosure. If you need
(loudness) add more enclosures. At the indicated input powers the
are within their excursion limits down to about 42 Hz. Four of
systems would provide excellent low bass coverage.
Note that these are relatively low efficiency systems but with awesome
extension to 33 Hz. . . . and a -10 dB frequency of 18 Hz!
traditional design might use pro sound drivers but would tend to tend to
have a significantly higher cutoff frequency and would probably require
use of a vented enclosure to provide adequate bass extension.
I previously posted:
the WinSpeakerz SV-12 demo version I find the following:
>No. Drivers Total Input Power
87 dB SPL 67 dB SPL
(thanks for cleaning up my chart Art)
Art asks several questions:
> Question #1: That we're down a constant 20dB at 10m in every
> is this simply the inverse square law at work?
Yes, this is simply "spatial attenuation"
or the inverse square law as it applies to point sources. You lose
6 dB per doubling of distance or 20 dB for x10 as in this case.
This dB loss with distance (for a point source) is the same as for
> Question #2: How much additional loss is there in the media
> inverse square essentially good enough?
At these distances and frequencies we don't
need to worry about atmospheric losses.
> Question #3: Didn't the bass-list just cover sealed rooms? If
> room were only 10x10x10m cube, what would be the SPL at 10m
> (at the far wall)?
This analysis is for half space and does not
include the room. In a room the SPL's would be somewhat higher as
a result of reverberation, room modes, and cavity effect. To
accurately predict these effects would require a LOT more information
and analysis. The simple half space model gets us 90 % of the
answer with only a small amount of work. :-)
> Question #4: If doubling power equates to 6dB as indicated
> (going from 1 to 4 to 8 to 16 drivers), how do you get from 87dB to
> 111dB for the single driver? (essentially 2 to eighth in
> 1 to 250) (8 times 6dB would be 48dB more). What am I
We are increasing the input power from 1 Watt to
250 Watts. First we will find the dB increase due to this increase
in power, then we will add it to the 87 dB we start with. We need
to use the formula for dB as a function of a power ratio.
dB = Log (P2/P1)
dB Increase due to increased power =
10*Log(250/1) = 10*2.3979 = 23.979 ~= 24 dB
Add this to the starting dB SPL: SPL =
87 + 24 = 111 dB SPL @ 250 W, 1m , 1 driver
I hope this is helpful.
John L. Murphy
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